Home theater receivers are distinguished from two-channel (stereo receivers) by having additional amplifier channels to support movie theater sound (e.g. “I have no bass without the Subwoofer”. Grrr, (no, not at you, Jim) that's a classic example of how not to make a multichannel recording. The main part of this is power, a 7 channel amplifier will have one transformer and one main dc filter block, yes they will be bigger but still, you draw power for 7 channels from the same power block. check this out and note that it is actual real time.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1fgo7hp-Ko&feature=related. When Hifi and records were relatively new this was not an issue. Even if the recent classical recordings are any indication, that is not the case. by PastryMan Jul 1, 2013 7:43AM PDT When I put a bluray in my player, I sometimes have a choice of setting the audio to Multi-channel mode vs … I felt no need to a center channel with my Martin Logan CLSs -ever. 2ch Stereo (2CH STEREO): The receiver outputs the sound from the front left/right speakers only. I do believe I went on a bit of a rant about how good we have it here in L.A. with the live classical music scene. True but they could presume an expectable standard. I doubt that Mr. Fremmer has an issue with this. In multichannel we have the very nearly imbicilic "Quad" to cope with, however, which is just about the worst possible speaker arrangement you can imagine for 4 channels and remain symmetric. But if you want to sound like you're in a real by (*&(* concert hall, there's little like GOOD multichannel. (For example, in terms of marketshare, MP3 and AAC dominate the personal audio market, though many other formats are comparably well suited to fill this role from a purely technical standpoint.) Wide sweet spot, wonderfully realistic and you would swear that the two rear speakers weren't even on-the effect was too subtle to pinpoint, but absolutely effective. You have pointed out the later much better than I could but the former, the state of music, is much more problematic. You're either some kind of post-modern (sorry) recombiner a la John Zorn in 1985, or you're doing what your elders did, just not as well (Wynton). Now if we consider how many of these are available in well recorded multichannel.... And once again I have to point out this extraordinay golden age of audiophile reissues we now enjoying. And we have productions methods carried over from quad, and "dialog only" center channels, and all sorts of theatre production necessities crippling our multichannel home audio. I will not goo to deep and try to give a surface explanation that makes sense. Likewise, all of the music that would go to your right speaker will go to all of the speakers on the right half of your room. quote:There was an explosion of talent and an explosion of great music being recorded. who are today's Beatles? Are you a multichannel amp user and you have some nice front speakers? Talent as far as creativity and innovation is concerned is always few and far between. It is an SACD surround disc. My answer is to illustrate that it is more about the state of multichannel than the state of music which is problematic. Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS 5.1) or multi-channel music (e.g. One is the state of music and the other is the state of multichannel. Turns out the singers (especially) and the instruments consciously and unconsciously adjusted their sound to match the recorded sound. But IMO the ship sailed on this one and there will never be enough material done right on multichannel to make it viable. Stereo reproduction requires two channels, so a single stereo amp could be used or two mono amps. Well, some of them are hybrid SACDs, but here's the point: you said there were 2 answers why the multichannel is the way it is today: 1. state of the music and 2. state of multichannel. An opera company....................... (Ever notice how strange any of these sound in open air?) Try locating a few of the Nimbus reissues of acoustic 78's of opera arias. I don't think I described the state of music as decrepit. I am almost certainly not as up to date as you on what is being released these days. You won't get 'Ascension' because we've already had it once, and the best you could do is muster variations on it. My take on this as I bought one of the first Meridian 565 surround sound processor is that it depends on the processor you have and it depends on the speakers you have. Wireless Bluetooth Home Stereo Amplifier - Hybrid Multi-Channel 3000 Watt Power Amplifier Home Audio Receiver System w/AM/FM Radio, MP3/USB,AUX,RCA Karaoke Mic in - Rack Mount, Remote - Pyle P3301BAT. These are different areas on the same "layer" - the DSD layer. Thinking about hooking up and trying some SACD/DVD-a Mch sound. Surround sound decoding or processing isn't provided. No need. There was an explosion of talent and an explosion of great music being recorded. But we're not still listening to gramophones done via acoustic recording. If you are using a multichannel setup then we recommend choosing for multichannel versions where available so you can hear the beautiful music in surround multichannel. Each side has its own channel that takes distinct sound and plays it out, giving the audio a surround effect. So to my mind, we're at a different place, historically, in jazz. I think your comments re: the jazz scene rings true for me, sadly enough; even though I treasure some jazz recordings & artists (Moran, Frisell, etc. (Yes, there is a small minority of informed audiophile hidden among them.) So, if there’s a loud event that occurs only in the left channel, a stereo compressor will respond by applying gain reduction to left and right together, while a multi-mono compressor will only attenuate the left channel. I think what's going on is a general increase in excellence, as Stephen Jay Gould described in 'Wonderful Life.' For the longest time I've had Pioneer Elite receivers which have Ext. FREE Shipping. I was a Friday and he had the weekend to play with it. my cup runneth over. Surround sound consists of multi-channel audio. If we take your quote above at face value, it certainly seems that Art has, or is, reaching its historical end and innovation will stop. There are new recordings of the classics which trump the vanguard old masters and are the new references, not only for me, but for many. Dolby® ProLogic technology This consists of four discrete channels of audio (left, right, center and rear). well, nobody. The audience was persuaded not to detect the differences of live versus recorded/piped in sound for other reasons that were psychological and not auditory. A stereo receiver typically has only two built-in amplifiers, which provide a two-channel speaker configuration (left and right). Multi Channel Stereo (MULTI ST.): Outputs 2-channel left/right or monaural signals from all speakers. So for sheer popularity, stereo wins hands down. It'd be a shame if one misses out on these recordings because of a certain entrenched thinking. Seeing that you are into 60s 70s psych rock, & pop, etc., have you had a chance to listen to the Classic Record's Big Star offerings? I even got a nice email from Warren B. in that it is how it was recorded in the studio. LOL. Looking for 3-channel or 7-channel? As to side and back, there are reasons to have each of side and back speakers, due to HRTF's (head related transfer functions). Stereo sound is preferred for listening to music, in theaters, radio stations dedicated to music, FM broadcasting and Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB). It's far from complete, of course, it's a 1 hour presentation.). I will keep an eye out for it. They made it clear during the introduction that they were recording the performances, since they were broadcasting them that seems more than obvious to me. At the time, I suggested swapping multichannel SACD for stereo. Someone dropped the ball big time here. Mono is the term used to describe sound that is only from one channel while stereo uses 2 or more channels to provide an experience much like being in the same room where the sound was created. Honestly, one of the problems with audiophilia is that it is often akin to necrophilia. These are exciting times for classical music lovers, and I haven't had this much fun buying new classical albums since I was a small kid. A 7.1ch receiver  advertised as 100w per channel, well, seven channels at 100w each, this would mean 700w only for the audio, the AB amplifier class has good efficiency but is still way under 90% of class D, the classic transformer also has some loss in the magnetic field and heat, also the unit uses power for the rest of the stuff inside. Sorry just rambling. We had the same issues in the 1960's and 1980s, until something new happened. to Denon's Multi channel Stereo, and I've always dutifully ignored it. Get it as soon as Thu, Jan 7. How much of that is in high quality multichannel? Don't have great hope for this experiment for many reasons. who are today's Beatles? Actually it is more about having a center channel than surround sound speakers in my opinion. It is his recording and he does not need my permission for anything. I think we classical music lovers have a tendency to canonize the masters with blind love; while reverence is great, what good is it if it keeps us from appreciating newer, interesting offering that keeps coming our way? What makes good multichannel is a bit more than I want to go into at 11:56 PM, though. Yeah, they are great but we've already heard them. Do I spend the money on the amazing reissues coming from Analog Productions, Music Matters, ORG, Audio Fidelity, Classics etc etc or do I hold out for the mulitchannel releases of the Miles Davis prestige recordings? But if you have heard cylinder recordings or acoustic flat discs played back through the original equipment, as I have, I think you would have to concede that performers could not "adjust the sound" of a string quartet or a soprano or even a piano to sound like a like performer. I have a combined stereo and multi channel system - the multi channel is used primarily for movies but I occasionally listen to multi channel music. And as someone who claims that classical music is only '4th or 5th' favorite genre and is even cognizant of who Yuja Wang is, you're definitely an atypical music lover. Multi-channel amps are a form of “Jack of all trades and master of nothing”. The volume fader and my panners look exactly the same as they did in the stereo master track, but what's changed is this item underneath of the panners, and this is called my direct output assignment. But they won't. And because of my line of work I often spend several months at a time away from home. These days the rejection rate (for me) goes way up because we are largly talking about music that has already been done very well many times. Just as did stereo and hifi. " (My screen name does not refer to surround sound, it has to do with my location) The most convincing demo I've heard was at the Stereophile show in NYC a few years ago; AT&T had a seven mike, five speaker (all the same) technique with an acapella group from Cleveland I think. In regards to that I will tell you a story. Right now I am still on a big 60s/70s U.K. folk psychodelic binge. Yeah, I know the argument. I started to tell him to try things, turn off the satellites, turn off the subwoofer and his reply fired me up. Multi-channel amps are a form of “Jack of all trades and master of nothing”. My motivation is to achieve the optimal listening environment since I use my system 95% for 2-ch listening. So the transition to stereo recording happened pretty quickly and the market for it was eager for the change. These were played back in an echoey environment (i.e., a castle) on acoustic reproducing equipment. Steinburg and Snow, then 1939, Fletcher and Snow, showed that a center channel is essential to getting the front soundstage right. Realism is probably irrelevant. (It is for cinema, for reasons related to the annoying acoustics of presenting something in a room that size and trying to avoid pulling the audience out of the picture. jazz, classical and world music we have two issues at work for the music lover. In a two-channel system (also known as stereo), you might hear some of that sound effect, in that it might get the left and right parts right.A two-channel system can’t help with the front to back movement, however, and that’s the critical part of a surround-sound system — it surrounds you! it is a gimmick, a ruse, a parlor trick, often very badly done. There certainly are a few very exciting new artists in classical but again we have this amazing body of work already recorded. And we started debating music, I advised him on some tracks he was unaware of and so on. Another example is Tchaikovsky's 1st Concerto, perhaps the most famous of all piano concertos. Why power matters? It may be particularly pointed for me but I do think that the maturity of recorded music itself is the greatest force working against multichannel in high end audio. and I keep refering to Yuja Wang. If you can persude DG to record the next Yuja Wang album in multichannel I might look into it. ). I think that lps can as well, but that depends up your TT, cart, and phono stage. 3,1 would make so much more sense. So I like the Boulez/NY SACD-only release of Ravel, which puts the listener in the middle of the orchestra with instruments all around, and I also like other multichannel performances where the surround tracks have only ambience info (e.g., Abbado's Mahler DVD-V's containing multichannel DTS sound). Now you probably have the same face as he had … WTF is this guy talking about. It's hard enough to get today's recording artists to just back off on the compression. Which is better DD, DTS or Multi-Channel? From the May 2007, Letters I quote (from me): At the time, I suggested swapping multichannel SACD for stereo. I think I have sung the praises of Yuja Wang a few times here. That said, I don't think the state of pop/rock is too bad, once you look outside the major labels' offerings. Are there any great jazz musicans out there recording? A stereo receiver may only have analog audio connections. Anyhow, here we have great lost music that would certainly be gobbled up by classical music lovers when made commercially available, plus the possible touring opportunity to go around to every major city in the country (or world for that matter), and perform these great pieces. The quality and investment in the stereo setup is higher than the multi channel but I think that reflects the quantities of music that I have multi-channel vs. stereo. Multi-channel vs 2-channel I have a 5.1 channel set up (Classe SSP-800/CA-5200) and am considering creating a 2-ch setup within it. Russound's multi-channel amplifiers are the perfect way to expand any audio system to more areas of the home, or to provide extra power in larger rooms or outdoor areas. So when I get here I usually have a stack of great recordings waiting for me. Your basic home theater system offers 5.1 channels of sound through five separate speakers and one subwoofer. There was no intention on my buddies or my part to agree with Wynton. I'd rather have the Lewis' late Beehoven sitting next to the Solomon than Brendel or Kempff. For every disgusting attention-whore like Lang Lang, there's a Jonathan Biss or Sudbin or Lewis. Not sure I believe that Mch is more realistic than stereo. We had the same thing with rock/pop music. I read that book. As this article is written on the train, on my way to work, on the workbench home awaits a Pioneer SA-720  blue series amp. I forgot about it and was wondering why the hell is he “avoiding” me Monday morning. Our first shot at true portablity. Well sure, a few. For me, new releases that warrent a purchase are few and far between. That was a fine example of the benefits of multichannel done right. So yeah, I'm spending my money on those ::gasp:: LPs that are brilliantly being remastered rather than spending any money to go multichannel. As an audio purist (I run Pure Direct stereo when listening critically to stereo sources like CDs, vinyl, high-rez FLAC), I felt the need to post this. thats probably multichannel stereo, my personal taste is to use dolby pro logic II when listening to music, stereo is so flat and boring , unlinke multi-channel stereo, it actually derives 5 channels from music that are entirely unique and it is capable of well mimicing a large live perfomance and giving a new perception of spatiality that i simply find incredible sounding. This was and is a time when MP3 quality is good enough, because the alternative of NOT having the music at all, is not good. Think of multitasking and you will get the idea. I'm mildly disappointed, esp. This was interesting in the Stereophile habits thread. On a non-hybrid, this is a bit of an oxymoron as there is normally just one layer, although very rare non-hybrids with two DSD layers exist. “But I have a £1000 amp, why should I buy something else”. only use the rear channels for ambient sounds and … When I was much younger I used to record much off FM. With speakers like the the NHT 3.3s sometimes a 3.3 speaker laying flat at the center was helping, sometimes it was not (a 2.9 was not helping). Audio Advisor has high-end amplifiers like Bryston, Parasound, and Marantz. Not so much. I can't do without Pollini's late sonatas, but I'd much rather have Lewis or Schiff's account of the late sonatas than some of the more 'classic' recordings by the more lionized pianists, i.e. Mono vs stereo: defined. All channel stereo – some receivers offer and all channel stereo mode. You can't go back and convert stereo and mono sound recordings to multichannel without making them some gross bastardization of the original material. But there are two forces working against multichannel for me as an audiophile. 39 $180.99 $180.99. A few months back there were a World Premier and 2 U.S. Premiers of three lost Beethoven Piano Trios. However, sound may not be output from certain speakers depending on the speaker settings. Back when so much of the great stuff in the 50s and 60s was being recorded it was supremely fresh for the hifi enthusiast. Stereo files have 2 channels and will play back on the left and right speakers. Sometimes history does repeat itself. Multichannel Television Sound, better known as MTS, is the method of encoding three additional audio channels into an analog NTSC-format audio carrier.It was developed by the Broadcast Television Systems Committee, an industry group, and sometimes known as BTSC as a result.. MTS worked by adding additional audio signals in otherwise empty portions of the television signal. Stereo sound specializes in transmitting sound out of the two speakers of the headphones; the left and the right. I don't think I agree. it isn't. I skipped over a bunch of reasoning in my first note, but I agree with you - I think the performers did what they could to tuck in their sounds, and the audience - which both wanted to believe and was being encouraged to believe - went along. To put it in an area I know a little about, I just finished Michael Harvey's "The Fifth Floor" without once feeling like I was reading an echo of Chandler or Ross McDonald, or having that "it's all been done before, only better" feeling. For the 3 channel recommenders, wasn't their issue that in that day most formats other than 30ips tape had wandering central images, ie cassette were horrible for this. This is a tougher matter now for three reasons. Now we have this huge legacy of great recordings of great music that don't translate into multichannel. If that were true then we would already have the vast majority of new music recorded in multichannel. Perhaps you could comment on the surround part of the recording if you hear it. The uniformly high state of technical ability makes it harder to stand out because "everybody" can play Trane's or Sonny Rollins' solos. Here, I'm sure Stephen Mejias will be more knowledgeable, but I at least know there's good music being made, a lot of it, which makes me buy the records. you would be assuming right. Re: Multi channel surround vs stereo. The only disc that has bothered me that MC SACD fixed was Warren Bernhardt's Ameilia's Song with his piano hard right channel rather than the typical center stage for the main artist. But the point being that "we already have this amazing body of work already recorded." Still, until I read the book I never thought of the live performers adjusting what they did. The work won the Pulitzer in 2008 and a CD has just been released. The sparceness of pickings in Jazz and pop/rock certainly make matters worse. I love his piano playing. I believe I said "There certainly are a few very exciting new artists out there." They are excellent pieces and a great find for the classical music world. What is different? I guess one of the problems is no one is making anything like the Miles Davis Prestige recordings these days. Although they may be more palatable because of the added "ambience," in no way do they sound like a live human voice. a lot of stuff there that had very limited releases that is being reissued. they are being measured against our great legacy of recorded jazz. Which begs the question. The standard argument is that everything's already been said and that coming up with a way to be 'original' in jazz is damn near impossible. I just wanted to put that on your radar because it is truly a great album, superbly recorded. Classical is a distant 4th or 5th on my list of favorite genres. Hearing more of the room sound isn't really hearing more of the music. NO RESPONSE. I believe there's a remarkable surge of new talents in classical music that hasn't been seen in years, most likely decades. How long have we had 5.1 now? I have much music on cassettes that I like and listen to on occasion, but what gets me to stop is the ill defined central images due to phasing problems on tape at 1/7/8 and the lack of true clarity. It would be even more specific if the work was commissioned by a particular performer or organization. despite that guy's protests stereo was embraced by the recording industry and completely took over in a decade. IMHO, if you like it use it. There is also easier to make a dual mono amp than put 2-3-4  transformers in a receiver. Because of the increase, you don't get .400 hitters and you don't get Coltranes. Again, we're very much in agreement here, Scott. This is another problem with the music industry as a whole. Also look at these really young kids coming out of nowhere, playing like ARTISTS, and not like some competition warhorse of the 80s, that sewer of a decade for classical music lovers. Contrary to what you may believe, certain genres which you describe as being in decrepit shape are actually thriving in terms of content. Have you heard records by Ceu, Fleet Foxes, Coco Rosie, Lambchop, Will Oldham, etc.? Now, only you can decide if it is worth the cost/effort to reproduce this. I think my remaining years will be spent recording some great performances off the internet. A 2 channel amplifier might have a smaller power supply block but there are only 2 channels drawing power from it. Scott, I actually agree with most of what you said in your post, but can't go with your sentiment on the quoted above. Many theories about this rejuvenation, but that's for another thread. The problems with tape skew certainly make the problem worse, needless to say. The core features of a stereo receiver differ from a home theater receiver in two ways. Well, multi-channel stereo provides the full left and right stereo audio through both the front & rear speaker channels. I switched my center and right audio cables, moving Warren to the middle and the bass player to the right, as now all was to MY liking. Yes, how many performances of Beethoven's Piano Sonatas do we need? When stereo hit we were in the very early years of hifi. Yet, not a word from anyone. Going with a rough and generous estimate the amp should draw at full power, about 1Kw. well, nobody. Some of us were there. (forgive my mispellings that have probably taken place.). 3.2 out of 5 stars 110. Can you imagine a pianist like Pierre Laurent Aimard, who came out specializing in Messiaen & Ligeti and now traversing through Bach, Beethoven, et al., thriving in the 80s? Have you heard Yevgeny Sudbin's account of it? You read the accounts of these events and wonder, how could they not tell?? No, it's a fundamental issue of acoustics in regard to a central image and spectral shaping due to the interference between the two speakers at each ear. 1934. Do you wonder why a valve amp with a few hand-soldered parts inside wipes the floor with a state of the art, smart amplifier with 3 CPU’s inside !? At some point, I asked him how he listens to music only, and he said he runs to whole 7.1 setups. Yesterday I just picked up the Rhino reissues of Bad Co and The Genius of Ray Charles. Gustavo Dudamel is amazing! A stereo amp may internally contain two independent mono amps in one chassis (sometimes called a "dual mono" design), but in most cases they also share a common power supply. Thanks. A string quartet would be in a smaller hall or, even, a rather large salon. Even those with mch HT systems don't give a crap about compression and are mostly concerned with explosions and car crashes. Third, there is the ubiquitous iPod generation that is as likely to grow additional ears as develop an interest in sedentary listening. 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